Stop bending words and situations to make it sound like oH evEryThinG iS clEarLy wRoNg.

Here's what actually happened.

but he is in god mode even before this all happened which makes me question things

I told you, I had an admin tool on me as i was building. You could clearly see it in my secondary slot.

i drop my sword for a gun and he picks the sword up and kills me still in god mode.

I didn't pick up any fucking sword, I already had a sword(no-dachi), i just equipped it. And what is the relevance of godmode here?

"dude you just kosed all 3 of them infront of me"

killed*

and when i try to speak he says "just shut up shut up"

As soon as I tped you here my first words were "Alright, just shut up for a minute and listen, you can speak after." I said this because you were raging in worldchat.

and i get mad and say " wow your actually doing your job and taking a sit this is the first" i said that because he never really does his job as a staff member at one point people were getting kos'ed left and right and all he said was "report on forums,ill deal with it later,im off duty".

Let me sort this out for you real quick. I don't play unturned that much I have better and more immediate things to do in my life, Yesterday was the first time I opened unturned in quite a while. you saying "wow you're actually doing...." is just downright insulting especially since this was the first time I've heard of you and i expect the same from you, and this wouldn't help in a situation of rulebreaking which had you involved.

   People get kosed all the time. ALL the time. You can never spend 5 mins as a staff doing what you want to do without having someone yell into your ears "KOS!". I got on chernaurus with the intention to make a gambling den. People kept shouting "KOS" (as usual, never a surprise) and I told them to report on forums? Why? well because You cant stop a kos. You can only solve it afterwards, which speaking from experience doesn't work that many times, it's usually word vs word unless someone has evidence, in which case they could dm me on discord if they really want to or report on the forums since it's more organized.

Me and Secret were robbing this one guy and he tp's away rawr joins discord were begging for help what he said next fucking ticked me off "i dont care im working on my casino im off duty" all the people in the discord can back me up Naughty,Dead brain, and i think NSTM and some others. After i insult him about him doing his job he bans me for this long

I joined discord because secret wrote in chat "RAWR" "JOIN DISCORD", and I came to the sweet sound of 3-4 people all shouting that they died and whatnot. And I said, "I do not care right now, I'm busy making a casino, please report it on the forums" to which I got responses from you and your friends such as "OH." "WOW OKAY" "GOOD STAFF". After that you changed your voice channels. Secret then came into my channel and literally threatened me. "oh and by the way rawr just so you know, if i see you, i'm gonna kos you" and left. Now to me you all sounded like just another batch of salty kids who got kosed and then threatened a staff. I joined your channel, informed Secret that threatening a person(staff for that matter) is a bannable offense but he said something along the the lines of "well I mean you're not doing anything so ill just kos him".

P.S- Admins do have the right to go 'off-duty' when they want to. We've been talking about this for a long time now and Nylex probably might add the /duty command for the same as we've been requesting him for a long time.

P.P.S- Naughty dm'ed me that he got kosed. And since his did provide evidence of sorts (even if its a screenshot of deathscreen), I considered his honorable member role and was ready to take his word for it. So I asked him "where", but all I got in reponse was rudeness.

Honestly, It's you guys, the players who bring all this upon yourself. You're the ones with the triggerhappy fingers who want to rob people whenever they can or raid bases and shit and not realize that there is always potential for a kos down that path, and when you do get kosed you blame the staff for not helping. Have you ever considered doing something even minutely roleplay-ish sometime?

they were threatening me with huge ass guns

They simply asked you to stand away from the loot while having their guns out beforehand.

basically a perma ban.

Since you're new to the servers you may not know this, but most staff members usually just perma ban people though the person may appeal whenever they want and they can get unbanned. on the topic of unbans,

This appeal has been accepted and you will be unbanned but only when this discussion finishes.

Looking forward to a reply, x

Rawr you burned the hell out of him, about the part of considering to Roleplay, I agree with that, do you even know what Roleplay is?(Not you Rawr) Every time that I see you guys you're always shooting and robbing and raiding and stuff like that, probably, since you started playing on the server you had the intention of robbing people all the time, don't blame other people who are actually trying to do something for EVERYONE and not just for themself, do you even think about people that you rob and all the hard work they put into the server and all of that is gone in a second because of you. I'm friendly and you that, we now each other, all I wanna tell you is to think about other people trying to have fun and all the work you ruined, It's up to you now, be a cunt and blame other people and being on the wrong side, or be a good guy (like me  😋) have fun, have people that when you join the server are happy to see you, and not having any kind of problems like this. and always being on the right side because you know that you didn't do anything.

-Greatings, Lucius

i just wanna clear some things out wether you come back from a long break in unturned as a staff member your job is to help the community enhance role play.

P.S- Admins do have the right to go 'off-duty' when they want to. We've been talking about this for a long time now and Nylex probably might add the /duty command for the same as we've been requesting him for a long time.

 why be staff if you have the right to go "of duty" at all times.

LOL and Secret then came into my channel and literally threatened me. "oh and by the way rawr just so you know, if i see you, i'm gonna kos you" and left. we said we were going to kill the person that tp'ed away because you didnt do anything and u said in chat if secret "koses" someone please report then u said or illusionist

well illu idk maybe if the staff want to play and not get yelled at by 11 year olds

Ahh, nice. I like this. Because I do not agree with either party on this discussion.

However I do agree on the fact that you were banned. The thing I do not agree on with rawr is that manner that this was handled, right after you got hit with a flare you decided to shoot up the place. After which, if I was rawr, I would've banned you or teleported you away to talk about this and come to a mutual agreement. However the action of banning you is something I fully support. And the fact that you are let off this easily, I do not agree.

You were confused after you got hit, right? Then someone else decides for you that you should kill em, in a situation like this, wouldn't it be fucking common sense that if you are confused to kill someone in a non-KoS server, to not kill anyone? Just be on the lookout if this would escalate into something big? That's just common sense mate, I do believe that this was trying to take advantage of the current situation to gain yourself some nice loot. I full heartedly believe this, since I know how you lot tend to play. 

Now to the third thing I want to say here. 

LOL and Secret then came into my channel and literally threatened me. "oh and by the way rawr just so you know, if i see you, i'm gonna kos you" and left. we said we were going to kill the person that tp'ed away because you didnt do anything and u said in chat if secret "koses" someone please report then u said or illusionist

Neither of these sentences are justified, first threatening to KoS someone, is just fucking retarded. You lot know that that's against the rules. I do not care against whoever this threat is, you lot know better that that.
Now threatening to KoS someone who apparently combat teleported? How is that justified in a non-KoS server? Two wrongs don't make a right, you don't extinguish fire with fire. Be a bigger man, report it, and don't act as if a rock would outscore you on an IQ test.

Also rawr gay lol

Posted by: Opti

Ahh, nice. I like this. Because I do not agree with either party on this discussion.

However I do agree on the fact that you were banned. The thing I do not agree on with rawr is that manner that this was handled, right after you got hit with a flare you decided to shoot up the place. After which, if I was rawr, I would've banned you or teleported you away to talk about this and come to a mutual agreement. However the action of banning you is something I fully support. And the fact that you are let off this easily, I do not agree.

You were confused after you got hit, right? Then someone else decides for you that you should kill em, in a situation like this, wouldn't it be fucking common sense that if you are confused to kill someone in a non-KoS server, to not kill anyone? Just be on the lookout if this would escalate into something big? That's just common sense mate, I do believe that this was trying to take advantage of the current situation to gain yourself some nice loot. I full heartedly believe this, since I know how you lot tend to play. 

Now to the third thing I want to say here. 

LOL and Secret then came into my channel and literally threatened me. "oh and by the way rawr just so you know, if i see you, i'm gonna kos you" and left. we said we were going to kill the person that tp'ed away because you didnt do anything and u said in chat if secret "koses" someone please report then u said or illusionist

Neither of these sentences are justified, first threatening to KoS someone, is just fucking retarded. You lot know that that's against the rules. I do not care against whoever this threat is, you lot know better that that.
Now threatening to KoS someone who apparently combat teleported? How is that justified in a non-KoS server? Two wrongs don't make a right, you don't extinguish fire with fire. Be a bigger man, report it, and don't act as if a rock would outscore you on an IQ test.

Also rawr gay lol

You beat me to what i wanted to say.

Basically, my intention was to kill him then ban him and i forgot theres a command for that (/slay) so i resorted to killing him till the time my computer loaded his steamurl

opti gay

I said this as NSTM Took my case already so that was my reply to that. If you don't like that reply sorry. 

Said this purely for a reaction from rawr. wouldn't break the rules for it. I know that's wrong on my part but i can be quite aggressive at times. Also if you think that's threatening staff then you're a bit of a soft touch. It was purely an insult to your "staff tag" take it as a threat if you want. From a players point of view like illu's he has his own opinions and so do i. We see things differently than how you see them so both sides do need to be accounted for. Yeah it was bad on my side. All of us could of did a better job over what happened but that wasn't the case. 

I feel like you think killing and robbing other players in a post apocalyptic timeline is not role-playing? This isn't life role-play... Sure if it was life roleplay then i would kill less players but if i have the choice of becoming a meta for the badlands and able to rob every villain, sherif i see. I'm taking that chance. Robbing players isn't 100% win rate so it's not like im losing anything if i die i lose my loot. I prefer that type of roleplay style. I rob kids for their explosives if they retaliate i kill them then take the explosives. 

I feel like you think killing and robbing other players in a post apocalyptic timeline is not role-playing? This isn't life role-play... Sure if it was life roleplay then i would kill less players but if i have the choice of becoming a meta for the badlands and able to rob every villain, sherif i see. I'm taking that chance. Robbing players isn't 100% win rate so it's not like im losing anything if i die i lose my loot. I prefer that type of roleplay style. I rob kids for their explosives if they retaliate i kill them then take the explosives. 

Posted by: MrRawr

I feel like you think killing and robbing other players in a post apocalyptic timeline is not role-playing? This isn't life role-play... Sure if it was life roleplay then i would kill less players but if i have the choice of becoming a meta for the badlands and able to rob every villain, sherif i see. I'm taking that chance. Robbing players isn't 100% win rate so it's not like im losing anything if i die i lose my loot. I prefer that type of roleplay style. I rob kids for their explosives if they retaliate i kill them then take the explosives. 

If you rob people then accept the fact that there is bound to be KOS since people don't exactly like being robbed/dying I suppose. And when you do get kosed don't come to staff to help you out and when they tell you they cba don't go "oh wow great admin :)))". Perhaps if you were someone who had a positive reputation for 'good' things such as helping others, actual roleplay, building stuff for people, helping staff etc. Maybe then we'd have a different opinion.

im not the one who said that but sure boss

Just like Opti, I think both sides to this are at fault.

This was a great appeal until that last part "It was only 1 KOS why was I banned permanently?" you broke the rules, obviously you are going to be banned for it. You can't expect to be banned for a couple days just because its your first time breaking the rules... never understood why people bring this up like it's a justification almost. Players really need to realize too that staff are here to help voluntarily, it's not a job, it's not a paid thing with a contract etc. On the other hand, I agree that if a staff member just isn't helping whatsoever, then they shouldn't be staff as it defeats the whole purpose. 

I agree with pretty much everything Opti said about how the KOS situation happened. I think it's just a case of being a bit too trigger happy but I'll unban you per Rawrs decision. 

I stand by Rawr's choice to ban you, especially when you look at it from his point of view, but there is a few things I'd like to pick up on:
Taking it personal- Over the past couple days you've told a lot of people that you feel insulted by the smallest of things like c'monnnn. It was also obvious to me that Naughty was being sarcastic and tryna pull your leg when he said he was going to KOS you. There is no such rule that says staff can't be threatened, that's a rule you just made up, I've strongly stuck by the idea that people can say anything they want to anyone on our servers, as I hate servers that try censor and restrict what you can and can't say. I still encourage kindness and positivity but I'd never make it a rule.
Disregarding every KOS claim in the chat- Yes we have forums which are great, but if a situation JUST happened, solving it there and then is way more effective. Obviously I can't respond to all KOS claims but I'll try my best to at least ask the player how it happened and then try ask the offender, if there's no clear verdict to be made then I guess you just have to leave it, I've found in most cases the KOSer just admits it and says sorry and gives the stuff back, problem solved. But dismissing every call for help really defeats the point of having that blue name.

Over the past couple days you've told a lot of people that you feel insulted by the smallest of things like c'monnnn

:upside_down:

It was also obvious to me that Naughty was being sarcastic and tryna pull your leg when he said he was going to KOS you

I guess this is bad on my part, didn't see through his tone/accent i guess. Then again, how many times do I confuse you too for being sarcastic xD

There is no such rule that says staff can't be threatened

Not this rule, the rule i 'made up' would be "threatening to kos" may be a bannable offense. Doesn't have to be staff members. Think of it this way. person A says to person B "yo bitch imma kos you" so person B takes out a gun and kills him. person A yells "KOS! ADMIN!" now person B was just doing it in self defense because he was scared person A was gonna kos him. So maybe it might not be considered a 'bannable' offense but it's still something to consider as a staff in scenarios like this where it's usually word v word until it reaches the forums or my dms.

I still encourage kindness and positivity but I'd never make it a rule.

Ofcourse, I strongly agree. What's the fun without a bunch of dickheads?

Disregarding every KOS claim in the chat

In my defense, the last time I did get on prior this month I did solve quite a few shit. Even afterwards that same day(the day i banned illu) I did solve 2-3 calls before sleeping. Even the one where Secret got kosed, I was watching the whole raid and all in vanish and then explaining to the base owner why its a raid and not kos.

I'll try my best to at least ask the player how it happened and then try ask the offender

I do that. Most of the time the victims shouts in chat and the offender and him have a little argument. I can check the playlist and find out groups that way too. Once this happens, I usually tp to the accused koser in vanish and observe for a bit, if i notice something suspicious I tp the victim and have a talk w both of them (which usually ends up in me telling them to dm me the evidence if any and they say they don't so i refund the victim 2-3 items and send them both off on goodwill).

if there's no clear verdict to be made then I guess you just have to leave it, I've found in most cases the KOSer just admits it and says sorry and gives the stuff back, problem solved.

Doesn't really happen with me i guess. Most of the times its the above. Though I did solve one call that same day and it did end up with a few misconceptions and stuff so It went something like that and I was happy to see the victim be patient with his issue and deal it in a much more friendly tone than most of the people i deal with.

But dismissing every call for help really defeats the point of having that blue name.

Personally I feel like there's more to being staff than just dealing with the neverending kos issues on a server which clearly says no kos. but this is a vast topic for another day and my dog just took my headphones away and i dont wanan go micless again so yeah soem other day bye

Sorry man but Daniella with two l's